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SOPHIA OF WISDOM III - MOTHER ANN LEE II
SOPHIA OF WISDOM III - PICS MOTHER ANN LEE
SOPHIA OF WISDOM III - PICS - CAROLINE E. KENNEDY - CAROLINA KENNEDIA
SOPHIA OF WISDOM III - MOTHER ANN LEE SPIRITUAL LEADER OF THE SHAKERS
CINDY CRAWFORD
AND
SEX MAGIC
SHE HAD HER FANTASY
TO BE
THE FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT
SOPHIA OF WISDOM III - 'MOTHER' ANN LEE
SOPHIA OF WISDOM III
THE SOPHIA OF ALL SOPHIA OF WISDOMS
"MOTHER"
ANN LEE
SHAKERS
SEPTEMBER 19, 2006
RE: BORN A SAINT / SEEDS OF LIFE / THE ELECT LADY / 1ST PRESIDENT
FEBRUARY
29, 1736
On this day Ann Lee was born
A SAINT
Saint Ann Lee
She
asended
to heaven right after birth
and
anointed by Jesus
She was able to see
deep into the hearts of all men and pass judgements
She was protected by an
Invisible force
She was
Linguisted
tested for
72 languages
She was called a
Daugther of God
She was called
The Elect Lady
BUT HER 4 CHILDREN DIED
SO
THIS IS WHY SHE WAS NOT WITH THE RIGHT HUSBAND
BECAUSE
JESUS WAS HER HUSBAND AND HE DIDN'T PROCLAIM HER
AND
THE PLAN WITH ALL
THE SEX MAGIC
WAS
THAT SHE WAS NEVER TO BE KNOWN FOR WHO SHE REALLY
WAS
AND
ALL HER POSITIONS IN LIFE WERE STOLEN
SO
SHE BECAME
THE HOLY SPIRIT
WHO
VISITED
ALL THE PRESIDENTS
She was also
known as
The Seeds of Life
(ORMUS)
She was also to become
The 1st President of The United States
You will now be
called
SAINT SOPHIA OF WISDOM II
THE GOD OF ALL GODS
SOPHIA
OF WISDOM III
THE SOPHIA OF THE ALL SOPHIA OF WISDOMS
AKA
CAROLINE E. KNNEDY - CAROLINA KENNEDIA
Mary
Madgalene was Pharisee and now it is called Lebanon. Mother Ann Lee lived in New Lebanon.
CINDY CRAWFORD
AND
SEX MAGIC
SHE HAD HER FANTASY
TO BE
THE FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT
SOPHIA OF WISDOM III - 'MOTHER' ANN LEE
SOPHIA OF WISDOM III
THE SOPHIA OF ALL SOPHIA OF WISDOMS
"MOTHER"
ANN LEE
SHAKERS
SEPTEMBER 19, 2006
RE: BORN A SAINT / SEEDS OF LIFE / THE ELECT LADY / 1ST PRESIDENT
FEBRUARY
29, 1736
On this day Ann Lee was born
A SAINT
Saint Ann Lee
She asended to heaven right after
birth
and anointed by Jesus
She was able to see deep into the hearts of all men and pass judgements
She
was protected by an Invisible force
She was Linguisted tested for 72 languages
She was called a Daugther of
God
She was called The Elect Lady
She was also known as The Seeds of Life (ORMUS)
She was also to
become The 1st President of The United States
You will now be called
SAINT SOPHIA OF WISDOM II
THE GOD
OF ALL GODS
SOPHIA OF WISDOM III
THE SOPHIA OF ALL SOPHIA OF WISDOMS
AKA
Caroline E. Kennedy
Mary
Madgalene was Pharisee and now it is called Lebanon. Mother Ann Lee lived in New Lebanon.
SEE
BELOW FOR MORE INFORMATION
SOPHIA OF WISDOM III - 'MOTHER' ANN LEE 01
DECEMBER 24, 2006
LIBRARY OF SOPHIA OF WISDOM III
SOPHIA OF ALL SOPHIA OF WISDOMS
AKA
CAROLINE E. KENNEDY__________________________________
*****NOTES OF SOPHIA OF WISDOM III -
Above is a picture of John F. Kennedy, Jr. introducing his New Magazine GEORGE.......
It
is my belief that he knew about "Mother" Ann Lee and that he was Jesus and was to come and claim his Elect Bride "Mother"
Ann Lee since she was The Seeds of Life, tested linguistally for 72 languages, she was a seer, she could hear voices and she
a Judge as in Ma'at. She also setteled differences with the Indians using her languages which has come back to me in 2004....."Mother"
Ann Lee was from England and if she were elected president she would of been Queen of England......Which I qualify for beening
in the Illuminati and have the family linage to prove it.....
She is Sophia of Wisdom II and was suppose to be the
First President of The United States and world if not universal Leader and John /Jesus was to announce her but he didn't he
married Carolyn Bessette back then and been ruining Sophia of Wisdom life with her going back and forth in time with NINA
ALVES and SHARI BROBECK.........
And that is why a woman is in George Washington Clothes and on the cover of his first
magazine........
Also there is a Newspoem by Joe Furetelle which states F. 35th President of the United States, Jr.
was on board the plane....And in the report by Nick Scholnick there was a POTUS File but the papers in the folder were missing......
POTUS reports on done on Presidents only not there sons.......
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George (magazine)
Cover of inaugural issue of George was
a glossy politics-as-lifestyle monthly magazine co- founded by John F. Kennedy, Jr. and Michael Berman
with publisher Hachette Filipacchi Media U.S. in New York City in September, 1995. Its tagline was "Not Just Politics as Usual."
The debut issue featured a cover which received a great deal of attention for its photograph of Cindy
Crawford dressed as George Washington.
George departed from the
format of traditional political publications, whose audience was made up primarily of people in or around the political world.
The general template for George was similar to magazines such as Esquire or Vanity Fair. The consistent underlying theme was
to marry the themes of celebrity and media with the subject of politics in such a way that the general public would find political
news and discourse about politics more interesting to read.
When it first appeared, George attracted great interest,
and for a brief period had the largest circulation of any political magazine in the nation, partly due to the celebrity status
of Kennedy, but it soon began losing money. Kennedy later complained that the magazine was not taken seriously in the publishing
world.
George earned infamy in the conspiracy cyberculture, when an article slated to run in the October 1998 "Conspiracy Issue" on the top conspiracy writers was killed at the last minute by George editors.
Titled "Princes of Paranoia," it would have highlighted writers and websites that were
popular in the field of conspiracy theory and given their work exposure to a wider audience.
After Kennedy's death
in a plane crash in 1999, Frank Lalli become editor-in-chief. In 2001, George was terminated by Hachette Filipacchi due to
disappointing advertising revenues.
Critics called George "the political magazine for people who don't understand
politics", assailing it for "stripping any and all discussion of political issues from its coverage of politics". In a feature
in its final issue, Spy magazine asserted that the magazine's premise was flawed; there was no real convergence of politics
and celebrity lifestyles.
On October 11, 2005, Harvard University, via their Kennedy School of Government, held a
panel discussion entitled "Not Just Politics as Usual", which commemorated the tenth anniversary of the magazine's launch.
The panel was moderated by Tom Brokaw and featured appearances by other journalists.
[edit] Trivia
In the
Mystery Science Theater 3000 episode, Revenge of the Creature, Crow T. Robot is seen reading an issue of George.
In an
unexplored plot point of the pilot episode of The West Wing, the 'current' issue of George features fictional Deputy Chief-of-Staff
Josh Lyman on the cover. You can see the magazine on his desk during his character introduction. Later in the episode he signs
the cover of the magazine for a woman who approaches him in a diner.
[edit] Notable contributors
Alfonse D'Amato
Al Franken
Stephen Glass
Norman Mailer
W. Thomas Smith, Jr.
Naomi Wolf
[edit] External Links
Princes
of Paranoia -- Exposed! (Requires membership)
Can George survive without JFK Jr.?
IOP Honors George Magazine at Forum
Kennedy School Press Release: George Magazine Anniversary Forum
George Magazine To Fold In March
Without its founder,
JFK Jnr's `George' folds
Transcript from Reliable Sources
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_%28magazine%29"
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SOPHIA OF WISDOM III - PICS - ANN THE WORD
Ann the Word
The Story of Ann
Lee, Female Messiah, Mother of the Shakers
Richard Francis
Description
The first serious popular biography of the woman who made God female—Ann
Lee, the fearless, feisty, charismatic founding leader of the Shakers.
Ann Lee may be one of the most extraordinary and mysterious women in the history
of Western culture. From humble origins in Manchester, England, where she was born in 1736, this illiterate daughter
of a blacksmith became a visionary religious leader who was thought by her followers to have been the second incarnation of Christ. When she died in America at age forty-eight, having brought her faithful to
a new land on the eve of the Revolution, she left behind a religious movement that was to have thousands
of followers and become our most important and successful utopian community.
As a young woman, Ann married, worked as a cook in a hospital,
***NOTES FROM SOPHIA OF WISDOM III -
THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED A HOLY SEE...
POPE URBAN III
UBERTO OF THE CRIVELLI
UBERTO CRIVELLI - VISCONTI
SOPHIA OF WISDOM III - PICS - POPE URBAN III
Pope Urban III (died October 20, 1187), born Uberto Crivelli, was Pope from 1185 to 1187. He was made cardinal and archbishop of Milan by Pope Lucius III (1181–85), whom he succeeded on (November 25, 1185). He vigorously took up his predecessor's quarrels with the Emperor Frederick I Barbarossa (1152–90), including the standing dispute about the succession of territories of the countess Matilda of Tuscany. Even after his elevation to the Papacy he continued to hold the archbishopric of Milan, and in this capacity refused to crown as King of Italy
Frederick I's son Prince Henry, who had married Constantia, the heiress of the kingdom of Sicily. While Henry in the south cooperated with the rebel senate of Rome, Frederick I in the north blocked the passes of the Alps and cut off all communication between the Pope, then living in Verona, and his German adherents. Urban III now resolved on excommunicating Frederick I, but the Veronese protested against such a proceeding being resorted to within their walls;
he accordingly withdrew to Ferrara, but died before he could give effect to his intentions. His successor was Gregory VIII (1187).
According to legend, he died of grief upon hearing news of the Crusader defeat in July of 1187 at the Battle of Hattin.
SEE LINK
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Urban_III
SOPHIA OF WISDOM III - OF THE CRIVELLI 01
SOPHIA OF WISDOM III
THE SOPHIA OF ALL SOPHIA OF WISDOMS
AKA
CAROLINE
E. KENNEDY
NOV 2, 2006
URBAN III (1185-1187)
UBERTO OF THE CRIVELLI MILANESE FAMILY OF CRIVELLI
HIS
FAMILY NAME WAS CRIVELLI WHICH MEANS SIEVE:
HIS PAPAL ARMS HAD TWO SOWS ON IT
ENSIS LAURANTI
(THE SWORD OF
LAWRENCE)
CREATED A HOSPITAL AND IT WAS CALLED A HOLY SEE...HE WAS NEVER ALLOWED PASSAGE TO ROME AND
NEVER MADE IT TO THE VATICAN...HE WAS DEFEATED BY THE SPEAR OF DESTINY HELD BY FREDRICK I...
and after the deaths of her four children, was committed to a lunatic ward. There she had the
revelation that she was Ann the Word, the female embodiment of Christ. Upon her release, she assumed leadership of the Shaking Quakers,
****NOTES FROM SOPHIA OF WISDOM III - SHE WAS SOPHIA OF WISDOM II THE SEEDS OF LIFE WHICH WHEN
EATEN WOULD MAKE YOU SHAKE..AND DO ALL THAT DANCING TO BURN OFF THE GOD LIKE POWERS...WHEN EVER SOMEONE WOULD BRING IN A NEW
PERSON THEY WOULD RECEIVE A SEED AND SHE NEVER KNEW THEY WERE BRINGING TAKEN FROM HER...
or Shakers, a local religious cult characterized by wild shaking and impassioned singing
and dancing, speaking in tongues, and a belief that the millennium, heralding the end of the world, had come. To escape
persecution, she emigrated with a small band to America in 1774. She settled in a cabin in upstate New
York and later a house in Harvard, Massachusetts. Battling mob violence and charges of witchcraft and spying,
she began an epic mission of conversion, establishing communities across New England. In the first serious biography of this
feisty, charismatic leader, Richard Francis gives us "the best portrait to date of . . . [a] heroic, indomitable,
mesmerizing woman" (Sunday Telegraph), a pioneer who in feminizing Christianity contributed to the status of
women in her own time and after. He also conveys the energy and strangeness of the radical sect who were the Shakers during
their militant early years and in so doing recreates vividly a "remote prophetic world" (Evening Standard).
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VULCAN - GODS BLACKSMITHS
Vulcan's oldest shrine in Rome, called the "Volcanal", was situated in the Forum Romanum, and dated back to the archaic Roman Kingdom.[2][3] It was the view of the Etruscan haruspices that a temple of Vulcan should be located outside the city,[4] and the Volcanal may originally have been on or outside the city limits before they expanded to include the
Capitoline Hill.[1] Vulcan also had a temple on the Campus Martius, which was in existence by 214 BC.[1][5]
The Romans identified Vulcan with the Greek smith-god Hephaestus, and he became associated like his Greek counterpart with the constructive use of fire in metalworking. A fragment of a Greek pot showing Hephaestus found at the Volcanal has been dated to the 6th century BC, suggesting that the two gods were already associated at this date.[3] However, Vulcan had a stronger association than Hephaestus with fire's destructive capacity, and a major concern of
his worshippers was to encourage the god to avert harmful fires. His festival, the Vulcanalia, was celebrated on August 23 each year, when the summer heat placed crops and granaries most at risk of burning.[1][6] During the festival bonfires were created in honour of the god, into which live fish or small animals were thrown as a sacrifice, to be consumed in the place of humans.[7] Vulcan was among the gods placated after the Great Fire of Rome in AD 64.[8] In response to the same fire, Domitian (emperor 81–96) established a new altar to Vulcan on the Quirinal Hill. At the same time a red bull-calf and red boar were added to the sacrifices made on the Vulcanalia, at least in that region of the city.[9]
In addition to the Vulcanalia, May 23, which was the second of the two annual Tubilustria or ceremonies for the purification of trumpets, was sacred to Vulcan.[6][10]
[edit] Mythology
Vulcan was the father of Caeculus.[11]
Through his identification with the Hephaestus of Greek mythology, he came to be considered as the manufacturer of art, arms, iron, and armor for gods and heroes, including the thunderbolts of Jupiter. He was the son of Jupiter and Juno, and husband of Maia and Venus. His smithy was believed to be situated underneath Mount Etna in Sicily.
To punish mankind for stealing the secrets of fire, Zeus, ordered the other gods to make a poisoned gift for man. Vulcan's contribution to the beautiful and foolish
Pandora, was to mold her from clay and to give her form. He also made the thrones for the other gods on Mount Olympus.
[edit] Reception
A statue of Vulcan located in Birmingham, Alabama is the largest cast iron statue in the world. Also, several small cults worship Vulcan on the 23 of each month.
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SOPHIA OF WISDOM III - PICS - CINDY & SEX
SOPHIA OF WISDOM III - YEAR OF BARBELO 2003
DECEMBER 9, 2006
LIBRARY OF SOPHIA OF WISDOM III
SOPHIA OF ALL SOPHIA
OF WISDOMS
AKA
CAROLINE E. KENNEDY______________________________________
The Counterfactual... Year
of Barbelo 2003...
Tom Coates
Preface, I'm not a particularly brilliant creative writer
so I'm going to suggest something and then retire away relatively gracefully to see what people make of it. This particularly
interested me because my recent reintroduction to the Gnostic Barbelites reminded me of all the inherently Christian bits
of ideology that still exist in my morals and preconceptions even as a staunch atheist. So this is an attempt at getting people
to think differently in terms of alternate histories - ways the world could have gone - with the objective of helping us to
realise the contingency of our own world, it's value systems and beliefs...
Year of Barbelo 196 AD:
The second
century Barbelite Christians believed that human bodies were vessels for fallen fragments of divine higher powers. Believing
that reproduction only drove the cycle of imprisonment, they ritually consumed semen (and menses, according
to some sources); they believed that the life energy bound therein would be bound to the soul of the one who
consumed them, and be able to escape this world with the eater's soul upon death. If the eater had not
gained enough energy and wisdom, he would be trapped by the Rulers and reincarnated again on Earth. The Barbelites used sexual fluids as the sacraments of the Eucharist. The suffering of Christ
was re-enacted whenever a new being was born. The Barbelites used non-reproductive sex to re-enact the
descent of spirit into matter without actually trapping the spirit in physical form. The
Barbelites, believing Yaldabaoth (Yahweh [YHWH]) was the vile bastard son of Barbelo, the pure reflection
of the true God's conscious, felt that, by the desist of humanity, they would transfer Barbelo's stolen
energy back to her, weakening the mad, tyrranical Yaldabaoth. Needless to say, the Barbelites were none too
beloved by less eccentric religious groups. They were wiped out en masse, courtesy the Christians.
But what if they weren't wiped out. What if - instead - Barbelite
Gnosticism became the major faith of the Western World - eventually taken up by Emperor Constantine to reinspire his empire.
What if Barbelite Gnosticism was a state religion...
Year of Barbelo 2003:
What
kind of world could have made the Barbelites 'win'. What kind of world would exist today if they had become the major religion
of the Western world....
Qalyn
(prev. Qualyn)
00:11 / 06.09.03
Well, Tom, before we
can really get rolling, we'd have to take into account the mystes of the Druidic Boibel-Loth, which (reputedly) contained
encoded instructions on all manner of statecraft pertinent to Celtic affairs, and its impact on orthodox Barbelist thought.
rizla mission
19:24 / 06.09.03
Well a fairly inescapable suggestion is gonna be;
A sect which
exists in direct opposition to the idea of reproductive sex becomes the dominant religious force in the Western world?
..there aren't gonna be many caucasians around in 2003..
Tom Coates
22:33 /
06.09.03
Well Christianity is pretty against people having sex outside wedlock, but all the evidence is that people have
been doing it pretty much since the beginning of time. You might use as a basis for any counterfactual thinking that Catholic
priests are supposed to be celibate and married to Christ - it could be that in order for the cult to have 'won' it would
have to split into a priest class and a follower class, where the priests tried to persuade people to have as much non-reproductive
sex as possible, lowering birth rates dramatically but far from totally - people having ten children - four of which died
- now have four - one of whom dies.
Discrimination on grounds of sexual act would be dramatically lower initially at least and indeed
in a subsequent renaissance that might happen again. The Church might have remained in the hands of the people rather than
become institutionalised to the same extent or it might not.
STDs would be much higher, but prostate cancer much lower. The status of women could have been dramatically
higher earlier, both because of the mother goddess and because of the celebration of less invasive penetrative sex... So with
those things in your head, WHAT COMES NEXT?
Tom Coates
22:40 / 06.09.03
PS. Also "Caucasian"? If you're
talking in the colloquial "white" sense of the word, then I'm not sure that the middle eastern population we're starting with
fall under that classification - and if you're talking about the stricter now-out-of-use scientific classification, then you're
also talking about people who came to undertake many other religions including but not limited to some of the peoples of India,
many muslims and peoples of North Africa.
rizla mission
00:14 / 07.09.03
Fair point. Poor choice of words.
I guess maybe "European" is closer to what I meant.
I still think though that, since according to the Barbelite cosmology
childbirth isn't just frowned upon - it's actually ultimate sin which the whole religion is organised in opposition to - it
would be pretty difficult for the leaders of the religion to tolerate any births within the ranks of the faithful..
Possibilities:
i.maybe people who had children would be banished from the religious community, creating parallel religious and secular
societies. I suppose the Barbelite ideology would have to be persuasive enough to convince a certain percentage of the secular
offspring to take it up again, thus ensuring that it doesn't die out..
ii.maybe, as a more extreme version of what
you've suggested, an extremely small carefully monitored birth rate would be permitted in the name of self-preservation and
perpetuating the religion..
(I know I'm maybe going off on the wrong tack on this, but it's fun trying to get my head
around how a sect that prohibits breeding could succeed in becoming a dominant world religion..)
Tom Coates
12:09
/ 08.09.03
So try to think about some of the shifts they'd have had to make to keep the core message intactish while permitting
them to become the dominant religion...
grant
23:05 / 08.09.03
I can easily picture a world where STDs
bear the taint of sin.
What would be interesting, however, would be the institution of marriage, which is seen as
the cornerstone of society. Human emotions being what they are, I imagine serial monogamy might become the norm -- and/or
massive orgies, probably during major carnivals, like Mardi Gras.
Also, for the Barbelo-gnostics to be in a position
of authority, the Bible as we know it would not exist. Significant portions of the New Testament would be different, primarly
the omission Paul's writings. These are the ones that set up the prohibitions surrounding marriage, but also have something
to say about homosexuality, as well as setting out some of what we know about the Trinity, and the rule of celibate priesthood.
John would stay -- weird visions of the End Times. The Whore of Babylon, however, would
have a whole different vibe.
I think in this world, prominent citizens might be required to "make face" by having
a same-sex consort.
Prostitutes would probably be mainstream working class, if not considered elite professionals.
I imagine there'd also be a substantial historical precedent for sex-slavery. Like, maybe not in 2003, but up to the 1800s
at least and probably much later.
Racial boundaries, as a result, might be a lot harder to police. This may have an
opposite effect from what you'd expect -- ideas of racial supremacy might be even stronger, especially with the "no children"
meme adding to the opprobrium heaped on the offspring of slave-master unions. So possibly a minority snow-white sex-worker/priest
class, with a lot of mixed race middle class folks.
I'm not sure if democracy would catch on in quite the same way,
but I imagine queens would be far more common, and women would never have had to march to get the vote.
Populations
would definitely be smaller. I wonder... Christianity might have spread a lot faster, if the sexuality was attached to the
idea of eternal salvation and a single, omnipotent, loving God. Hmm.
The current debate on abortion would be almost
identical, only with scientists & "rationalists" taking a minority "pro-life" view, and fundamentalist Christians taking
the close majority "pro-choice" view.
The relationship between the Church and scientific rationalism would also be
somewhat different, probably, since gnosticism in all forms is based on personal revelation, not authoritative truth. Galileo
might never have been persecuted. Hard to say, though, since we monkeys seem to like authorities.
I wonder, also,
what urges would be repressed -- y'know, Freud's big thing was, "Hey, sex - it's pretty important! And we don't like to admit
we're thinking about it!"
What would the Barbelo-Freud discover?
grant
16:49 / 09.09.03
Actually,
if Emperor Constantine took up Barbelite Gnosticism, it would find a way to become authoritarian pretty darn quickly.
Most
of the authoritarianism in the early church can be traced to him, the first Christian emperor. (Or, more properly, "Christian").
bjacques
16:03 / 15.09.03
Is Gnosticism the source of the
Jorge
Luis Borges
quote that "copulation and mirrors are both abominable, because they increase the number of men?"
But I think an anti-reproductive religion would have been self-limiting.
The Shakers,
(SEE MOTHER ANN LEE)
in the northern US of the 1700s, were also against sex, and are pretty much extinct.
If Constantine had championed it, it would probably have been a religion practiced publicly and in the Emperor's court, while
people practiced their real religion privately, and it would have died with him, as did Ikhnaton's solar monotheism and Julian's
"Apostasy."
But since preference for barbelite Christianity would have come at the cost of the "our" Christianity,
then the latter might not have gotten the critical boost it needed to become one of the Big Three monotheisms. There's an
excellent book by Karen Armstrong called something like the History of God, supposing Islam, Judaism
and Christianity arose and consolidated their hold in the Axial Age, about 400BC-600AD, when general historical
conditions favored it. That also suggests a niche existed and that a later Emperor might have seen which way the wind was
blowing and championed regular Christianity with roughly similar results.
So the world would have been very different,
but still not very barbelithic, except that that religion would probably have about as many adherents as Jehovah's Witnesses.
I like this, I just wish I knew enough about Gnosticism to imagine the alternate world instead of just playing, er,
Devil's Advocate.
grant
21:04 / 15.09.03
"Gnosticism" is a single label for a bunch of different strands
of belief -- Barbelite Gnosticism being just one of 'em.
Emphasis
is on personal knowledge (gnosis) of the divine as opposed to scripture and traditional/authoritative sources of revelation.
There *is* a tradition (a set of beliefs) within these
gnostic strains, elements of which were accepted or rejected by various groups throughout history. So that set of beliefs
is by no means uniform from group to group.
The main thing all the gnostics have in common is that
they lost out to orthodox Christianity (as political entities) at about the same time Constantine adopted the faith.
I
wonder if the Barbelites would have been more plural and less monolithic than the version of Christianity that came to the
fore in the 300s -- less apt to condemn heretics, laying the foundation for
a far broader church.
bjacques
00:53 / 16.09.03
Thanks! I'd picked up a few strands from
reading tons of Borges' stories; last week I was amazed to see Gnostic themes in Orson Welles' version of Kafka's "The Trial." Anyway...
You're
probably right about a kinder, gentler Christianity resulting. A possible example is the Ottoman Empire whose state religion
was of course Islam, but it was a more tolerant Islam than that practiced in Saudi Arabia. Non-Muslims were welcome there
as long as they paid taxes and didn't stir up trouble. There was a lot of intellectual ferment in the Ottoman Empire.
Oh.
Fertility images, like the classic Demeter and her Cornucopia, used a lot in American
art in the 1800s, would probably be unknown. Maybe Barbelo-Freud would discover repression of fertility drives? Also, the
ecstatic side of Christianity would be more respectable, and probably de rigeur, but maybe you'd only have to fake it on festival
days. A dark side of a religion like this could be outbreaks of mass panics, fundamentalist frenzy. Maybe the state would
make use of them and channel them into participatory public executions like the "salvagings" of Margaret Atwood's
"The Handmaid's Tale," only people wouldn't pull on a long rope but instead tear the
victims apart themselves.
Burning Man would be government-subsidized, and have darker connotations,
at least in states that had the death penalty...
at the scarwash
03:26 / 30.09.03
Religions of aesceticism,
if they are to thrive, seem to very quickly generate more easily-consumable versions of themselves. A good example of this
is perhaps Pure-Land Buddhism, which offers potential enlightenment to those who can't find it though the path of wisdom,
or in other words, by doing the damned hard (and selfish) work of the aescetic. Even Catholicism as it is today would be a
good example. My impression of Catholic doctrine is that the real O.G.'s of the Catholic world are found amongst the priesthood
and the orders; the laiety have their place, but they are somehow less holy than their clergy. It's not that they actually
could or should all be ordained--they are in the position intended for them.
So anyway, I'd imagine that the Barbelo-Gnostics
would probably evolve a similar system: a real hard-ass Barbelo-Gnosis for the expert, and a Barbelo-lite Home Edition (TM)
for the people too concerned with raising crops to feed the priesthood to be able to go off and be awesome pervert-heretics
themselves.
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